ITALKSPORTS Episode. 40: UFC Pound-for-Pound Rankings, and Jon Jones’ Disappointing Exit
The discussion commences with an analysis of the latest UFC pound-for-pound rankings, which I commend as the most robust listing observed in recent times. While I acknowledge the rationale behind Ilia Tuporia's position as the number one contender, I express my personal dissent regarding his placement. Furthermore, I take this opportunity to celebrate Alexandre Pantoja's ascent into the top five, a recognition that he has long deserved. However, my discourse culminates in a critical examination of Jon Jones, whose retirement I find utterly disappointing, particularly in light of the high expectations surrounding his heavyweight tenure. The manner of his departure leaves a lingering sense of dissatisfaction among fans, as it does not align with the monumental stakes that once defined his career.
The discourse surrounding the latest UFC pound-for-pound rankings has elicited a thoughtful examination of the current state of mixed martial arts. The rankings, widely regarded as the most robust in recent memory, showcase Ilya Tuporia at the apex, an assertion met with both acceptance and skepticism. While I concede the rationale behind Tuporia's esteemed position, I express reservations regarding his placement at number one. Instead, I take this opportunity to celebrate the ascent of Alexandre Pantoja, who has rightfully secured a top-five position, finally receiving recognition for his prowess and contributions to the sport. This elevation in status is long overdue and reflects a growing acknowledgment of Pantoja's skills and accomplishments within the octagon.
As the discussion progresses, I shift my focus to Jon Jones, a figure synonymous with both greatness and controversy in the realm of MMA. His recent retirement, characterized by a conspicuous lack of fanfare, has left many, including myself, feeling disillusioned. The circumstances surrounding his departure from the sport, particularly given the high stakes of his heavyweight reign, evoke a sense of disappointment. Jones, once hailed as the greatest of all time, now faces a tarnished legacy as fans grapple with the implications of his subdued exit from competition. The potential for a super fight against Tom Aspinall, which many anticipated, now seems relegated to the realm of 'what could have been,' and this absence only amplifies the bitter aftertaste of his retirement. Thus, this episode serves as a reflection on the evolving narratives within the UFC and the intricate dynamics of athlete legacies, particularly that of Jon Jones.
Takeaways:
- The latest UFC pound for pound rankings present a notably solid list, though I contest Ilia's position at number one.
- I celebrate Alexandre Pantoja's well-deserved recognition as he ascends into the top five rankings.
- Jon Jones' retirement has been met with disappointment, as his heavyweight tenure lacked significant impact.
- Despite the controversy surrounding his retirement, Jon Jones remains a pivotal figure in UFC history.
- The discussion surrounding the pound for pound rankings highlights the complexities of fighter recognition and merit.
- The episode emphasizes the emotional responses of fans to the performance and legacy of fighters like Jon Jones.
Transcript
Round of applause for everybody that came up with this list.
Speaker A:This is a solid list.
Speaker A:Y' all cooked here.
Speaker A:Y' all cooked, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Thirteen fights with only two finishes.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:The judges must love that boy.
Speaker A:If Jon Jones comes out of retirement, I swear to God, bro, I swear to God, I'm not watching whatever fight he does next.
Speaker A:Even if it's against Tom Aspinall, I'm not watching it.
Speaker A:Some of the baddest men to ever walk the planet.
Speaker A:Some of the baddest men to ever walk the planet.
Speaker A:No, man.
Speaker A:Enough time has passed for me to realize that no man.
Speaker A:Jon Jones thinks we're his friends.
Speaker A:I have found and I have chosen a soccer team.
Speaker A:We're supposed to get his fight with Stipe that November.
Speaker A:He injures his shoulder.
Speaker A:The fight is delayed by literally an entire year.
Speaker A:We see it the next November.
Speaker B: Since: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hey, Google, how many times?
Speaker B:Six times.
Speaker A:Nah, nah, I don't believe you.
Speaker B:I don't believe.
Speaker A: es have Real Madrid won since: Speaker B:Champions League.
Speaker B:Champions League.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker B:These guys want six.
Speaker A:Let's see, let's see.
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker A:You see?
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker A:2014, 16, 17, 18, 22, and 24.
Speaker B:That's seven.
Speaker A:That's seven.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:One.
Speaker A:2014, 16, 17,18, 22, 24.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Six.
Speaker A: Wait, who won in: Speaker B:2010?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:That was Inter Milan.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker A:Why is this thing lying to me?
Speaker A:And I was so.
Speaker A:You are so confident.
Speaker A:Okay, fine.
Speaker B:Chelsea represent.
Speaker B:I'll let you know next week if we won or not.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:God be with you, Chelsea.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I've decided.
Speaker A:I have decided by majority and just to piss off nj, I have found and I have chosen a soccer team the way.
Speaker A:The way NJ is looking at me right now.
Speaker A:But yes, after much deliberation and much consideration and all the shins there are, I have chosen a soccer team.
Speaker A:And it is none other then I mean, I mean.
Speaker B:Glory Hunter.
Speaker A:I mean, I never walk alone.
Speaker B:Glory Hunter.
Speaker A:I never walk alone.
Speaker A:I'm not a Glory Hunter.
Speaker A:Let me tell you how I came to this decision.
Speaker A:Everyone I know, all my boys you excluded are Liverpool fans.
Speaker A:And that's good enough reason just to piss you off and to be with my boys in solidarity.
Speaker A:So first of all, and my other boy is a man you fan.
Speaker A:And I'm not doing that.
Speaker A:So first of all, I'm already a Ravens fan.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What the people don't know and I'll do it on a separate podcast.
Speaker B:Is that if I wasn't a child supporter, I was going to be a Liverpool supporter.
Speaker B:So you're not pissing off anybody, McElroy.
Speaker B: So, and then FIFA: Speaker B:And then I liked playing with Charles a bit more, so I was like, ah, let's go with Chelsea.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, that's how it happened.
Speaker B:Oh, so you're pissing off no one.
Speaker B:If you're a man you fan, I'll just laugh at you.
Speaker B:If you're a man City fan, I'd be irritated.
Speaker A:Why would I do that?
Speaker B:If you were an Arsenal fan.
Speaker A:Man, once again, I'm already, I'm already a Ravens fan.
Speaker A:I should pick a struggle.
Speaker A:So let me not walk alone.
Speaker B:Yeah, I have an announcement and then we'll get to the show.
Speaker B:I have already.
Speaker B:I have now picked a football team in the NFL.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, I've picked a team in the NFL.
Speaker B:It's none other than the Pittsburgh Steelers for the first season.
Speaker B:I want to see how this will go.
Speaker A:40 year old Aaron Rodgers, like you picked the worst season.
Speaker A:You guys don't have a quarterback under third, under the age of 35.
Speaker A:Do you understand that?
Speaker B:I don't care.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:Just to piss me off.
Speaker B:Okay, I. I'm joking, people.
Speaker B:I'm not doing that.
Speaker A:Fine.
Speaker A:My dude.
Speaker A:Yo, how are you?
Speaker A:Are you fine?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You can just tell me down there, Mukundi, I'm well, Mukundi.
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker A:Finally, this is.
Speaker A:Whoever came up with this Dana White, whoever it is, thank you.
Speaker A:This is by far the best pound for pound list I've seen in years.
Speaker A:I don't agree with the number one pick, but is it a solid list?
Speaker A:Yes, yes, I understand why number one is number one.
Speaker A: th July: Speaker A:At number one, we have the Georgian, El Laenda.
Speaker A:El Matador, defending lightweight champion of the world.
Speaker A:The world.
Speaker A:And the newest two division champion in UFC history, Ilya Tuporia is number one on the pound for pound rankings.
Speaker A:Number two, Islam Makhachev.
Speaker A:Three, Merab Dualishvili.
Speaker A:Four.
Speaker A:DDP Drinkers, duplicity, no DNA.
Speaker A:The story say five.
Speaker A:Alexandre Pantoja.
Speaker A:Six.
Speaker A:Alexander Volkanovski.
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker A:Magomed and Kalaev.
Speaker A:Eight, Jack De la Medalena.
Speaker A:Nine, Tom Aspinall.
Speaker A:And rounding it off, we have poatan with number 10.
Speaker A:Solid list, right?
Speaker A:Solid.
Speaker A:I can't even fault it.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Round of applause.
Speaker A:Round of applause for everybody at the ufc.
Speaker A:Round of applause for everybody that came up with this list.
Speaker A:This is a solid list.
Speaker A:Y' all cooked here.
Speaker A:Y' all cooked.
Speaker A:Y' all brought out the amc, the heart, the Russell Hobbs, everything like y' all cooked and y' all did good.
Speaker A:So let's start with this bottom tier five, because I think this is, listen, this the bottom half of this, of this list.
Speaker A:It's, it's really the way it is.
Speaker A:You can't even fault any of these people.
Speaker A:Volkanovsky being number six, he just regained his title, his featherweight title.
Speaker A:Tell me why he shouldn't be up here.
Speaker A:He was always one, he was always one of the best in the world.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's the heavyweight champ, dude.
Speaker A:Who's champ?
Speaker A:Who's not champion here?
Speaker A:Ilya's champion Islam is not a champion anymore because he vacated the title just to move up to welterweight.
Speaker A:And we'll see if he beats JDM there.
Speaker A:But we should, we shall say Ilya Islam is a champion, honorary champion, given the fact that he was a champion.
Speaker A:He just relinquished it just to move up to a, to a bigger, to another division.
Speaker A:And he technically he hasn't lost a fight.
Speaker A:So we shall say he's a champion.
Speaker A:Murab Dwali Fieldy champion.
Speaker A:DDP champion.
Speaker A:Pantoja champion.
Speaker A:Volk champion.
Speaker A:Ankalaev champion.
Speaker A:JDM champion.
Speaker A:Espinal champion.
Speaker A:It is only Pereira on this list that is not a champion.
Speaker A:It just goes to show you're the champion for a reason, right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So Volkanovski being number six, I'm not really mad at that ankle.
Speaker A:I have been number seven.
Speaker A:He's the, he's the light heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker A:I ain't really mad at that.
Speaker A:JDM being number eight, he just moved up.
Speaker A:He just beat Bilal Muhammad for the welterweight championship.
Speaker A:And I don't see anything wrong with him being there.
Speaker A:Aspinall at number nine, I would say I'd have put him a bit higher.
Speaker A:But then again, the pound for pound rankings also have a very recency bias thing about it, because it's also about your recent body of work.
Speaker A:So I get it, I get it.
Speaker A:Aspinall has only had one fight over the past, over the past year.
Speaker A:He hasn't fought since around this, around June, July last year when he beat Curtis Blades in, in, in the first round as usual.
Speaker A:But yeah, and then PEREIRA Being number 10, I ain't really mad at that.
Speaker A:He's still, he's still pound for pound top 10, which is where he belongs.
Speaker A:He's still Pereira at the end of the day.
Speaker A:That's Poatan.
Speaker A:Now the top half of this list, bro.
Speaker A:Some of the baddest men to ever walk the planet.
Speaker A:Some of the baddest men to ever walk the planet.
Speaker A:I repeat, some of the baddest dudes to ever walk the planet.
Speaker A:I'm telling you, you could have any.
Speaker A:Listen, 1, 2 and 3, you could have that in any, in any order.
Speaker A:And I probably wouldn't even argue with you.
Speaker A:Hell, even four and five, this whole list.
Speaker A:Because as much as I love Alexandra Pantoja, I thought about it and I was like, yes, I'm always saying he deserves to be higher on the.
Speaker A:On the pound for pound.
Speaker A:Because before this he was number nine.
Speaker A:But you then look at who else is high, was above him, dude.
Speaker A:Ddp, Merab, Islam, Ilya, who else?
Speaker A:The only debate that we can have actually is whether Islam should be number one.
Speaker A:I think he should have stayed number one.
Speaker A:He never lost.
Speaker A:All he did was relinquish his title and move up a division.
Speaker A:Let's not forget the caliber of opponents he's beaten.
Speaker A:Sure, Ilya has also beaten some high caliber opponent.
Speaker A:Arguably the greatest three fight win streak in UFC history, if not MMA history.
Speaker A:But Ilya was 150 before going into this.
Speaker A:Well, not 15 0.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:He was on a 15 fight win streak with three, four title defenses.
Speaker A:Vogue.
Speaker A:It was the two Vogue fights.
Speaker A:It was Poirier and it was Moicano on short notice.
Speaker A:So, yeah, four title defenses.
Speaker A:Islam is him, but Ilya is him too.
Speaker A:Merab is Merab.
Speaker A:Come on, number three.
Speaker A:I think Merab is perfect there.
Speaker A:I'm not the biggest Merab fan, but you can't deny it, the run that he's been on, the caliber of opponents he's beaten, the fashion in which he's beaten his opponents.
Speaker A:You can't find anyone else?
Speaker A:Show me anyone else that's doing what Merab is doing.
Speaker A:My biggest problem with me, Rob, is that he's a decision machine.
Speaker A:He really is.
Speaker A:He can't seem to finish his fights.
Speaker A:Let me check me.
Speaker A:Rob's last finish.
Speaker A:Rob's last finish came in.
Speaker A:Oh, go.
Speaker A:I apologize.
Speaker A:Mirab.
Speaker A:I apologize.
Speaker A:He just beat Sean o' Malley like two, three weeks ago.
Speaker A:Couple weeks ago.
Speaker A:Remember I was here, very angry.
Speaker A:Not even a few weeks ago.
Speaker A:That was a while back.
Speaker A:Beat Sean O' Malley by submission.
Speaker A:That was at 3, 16.
Speaker A:Yeah, 7th of June, a month ago.
Speaker A:Beat Sean O', Malley, made him tap.
Speaker A:But besides that, before then he had let Me see, in his win streak.
Speaker A:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
Speaker A:Fight win streak with only two finishes.
Speaker A:13 fights with only two finishes.
Speaker A:Damn, the judges must love that boy.
Speaker A:He must love math, huh?
Speaker A:Cuz he just does everything by the numbers.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I call you Mr. Leave.
Speaker A:Me alone, I'm funny.
Speaker A:So Merab Dualishvili is number three.
Speaker A:And once again, whoever cooked up this list, shout out to you.
Speaker A:This is by far the most solid pound for pound list I've seen in a while.
Speaker A:Ilya Tupori at number one.
Speaker A:Islam at number two.
Speaker A:Merab at number three.
Speaker A:DDP number four.
Speaker A:Pantosia number five.
Speaker A:Volkanovsky number six.
Speaker A:JD Magomed number seven.
Speaker A:JDM number eight.
Speaker A:Espinal number nine, and Pereira, number ten.
Speaker A:Some of the baddest men to walk the planet.
Speaker A:Dude, who would you mess with?
Speaker A:Who would you mess with here?
Speaker A:Toporia.
Speaker A:He's putting everyone to sleep.
Speaker A:Islam, two, three years, Dagestan and forget, dude, literally all of these dudes are certified bad men.
Speaker A:All of them.
Speaker A:Ass kickers down, all of them.
Speaker A:Now, moving on, staying with the ufc.
Speaker A:Enough time has passed for me to process this and for me to actually think about it and for me to be angry and for me to just say, no, man.
Speaker A:No, man.
Speaker A:No, man.
Speaker A:Enough time has passed for me to realize that, no, man.
Speaker A:Jon Jones thinks we're his friends.
Speaker A:Jon Jones thinks we're his friends.
Speaker A:Did you see that?
Speaker A:Just a few days ago, he.
Speaker A:He got back in the testing pool for USADA in the ufc.
Speaker A:If Jon Jones comes out of retirement, I swear to God, bro, I swear to God, I'm not watching whatever fight he does next.
Speaker A:Even if it's against Tom Aspinall.
Speaker A:I'm not watching it in, okay?
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm lying.
Speaker A:Let me not lie.
Speaker A:Not lie.
Speaker B:Come on now.
Speaker A:Let me not lie.
Speaker A:I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker A:I'm definitely gonna watch it.
Speaker A:But Jon Jones has been retired for a while now, and regardless of how it ended, the ending was very bad.
Speaker A:Pissed off damn near every MMA fan.
Speaker A:However, I would be lying if I didn't say Jon Jones is the greatest of all time.
Speaker A:Mount Rushmore, bare minimum.
Speaker A:Youngest.
Speaker A:Youngest champion in UFC history.
Speaker A:12 title fights.
Speaker A:Won every single one of them.
Speaker A:Dude, dude.
Speaker A:He won every single title fight he's been in.
Speaker A:He's technically undefeated.
Speaker A:The only blemish on his record is a no contest, not as a disqualification.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Because he was elbowing that dude in the face.
Speaker A:Elbows which were just ruled back and made legal by the way.
Speaker A:So should we rescind that disqualification and just say he's undefeated?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But the ending left a very bitter left a very bitter taste in everyone's mouths because Jon Jones will forever go down as the man that ducked Tom Aspinall.
Speaker A:And it's sad.
Speaker A:His heavyweight reign was useless.
Speaker A:I'd even go as far as to say his heavyweight reign hurt his career.
Speaker A:Think about it.
Speaker A:2023, Jon Jones comes back to the UFC as a heavyweight.
Speaker A:His first fight back in a title, in a title fight, which many people wondered if he even deserved because he was away for three years and he was coming into a new division.
Speaker A:And your first fight back is a title fight.
Speaker A:But it's cool.
Speaker A:You're the favorite child.
Speaker A:We understand Dana gave you that fight, proceeded to dominate and beat Surgan in two minutes.
Speaker A:We're supposed to get his fight with Stipe that November.
Speaker A:He injures his shoulder.
Speaker A:The fight is delayed by literally an entire year.
Speaker A:We see it the next November.
Speaker A:So we have a 37 year old Jon Jones fighting a 43 year old Stipe Miocic in a heavyweight fight that nobody wants to see.
Speaker A:Because we can all tell that Jon Jones is still Jon Jones.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's old man Jon Jones, but he's still Jon Jones.
Speaker A:But Stipe is no longer Stipe.
Speaker A:He's on paper the greatest heavyweight of all time.
Speaker A:But what good is it if you're 43 and you get in your ass handed to you.
Speaker A:That was a bad fight and a waste of time.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:We got that.
Speaker A:It was the legacy fight, as they called it.
Speaker A:The greatest of all time versus the greatest heavyweight of all time in the heavyweight division.
Speaker A:Five years too late for that fight, but it's fine.
Speaker A:We see that and then from November until three weeks ago, we get teased and teased and just everything under the sun and we think we will finally get to see Jon Jones versus Tom Aspinall.
Speaker A:And what happens?
Speaker A:Jon Jones unceremoniously relinquishes his heavyweight title and retires from the UFC without as much as a little press conference or nothing.
Speaker A:No, Dana White had to tell us that while he was in Azerbaijan in Baku.
Speaker A:Is it Baku?
Speaker A:Baka, Where's Baku?
Speaker A:Hey Google, where's Baku?
Speaker A:I think it's Azerbaijan.
Speaker A:Yeah, Azerbaijan.
Speaker A:We found out that Goat Jon Jones, the greatest mixed martial artist of all time, is retiring through a half assed press conference by Dana White in Azerbaijan after a very underwhelming UFC fight Night with Khalil Ra Roundtree defeating Jamal Hill in the main event Y' all remember that?
Speaker A:Y' all remember that?
Speaker A:We could see how pissed Dana White was.
Speaker A:We could see he wasn't happy.
Speaker A:And why would he be?
Speaker A:We're all robbed of this super fight that we all thought we would get.
Speaker A:It was teased, it was promised.
Speaker A:What, for nothing.
Speaker A:All for him to now say he's back in the testing pool.
Speaker A:Stay home.
Speaker A:I don't want to see it.
Speaker A:I don't want to see it.
Speaker A:I'm done.
Speaker A:Hi.
Speaker A:What you got for me, bro?
Speaker B:Well, gentlemen, when the shit hits the fan, some guys run and some guys hide.
Speaker B:Here's Jon Jones ducking Tom Aspinall.
Speaker B:And you got the right to call him the Goat Question.
Speaker A:Here's the thing, as much as we can all say he's ducking Tom Aspinall, I don't think it's the main reason he retired, because he's, He's.
Speaker A:He also said he's 37, 38.
Speaker A: en fighting since, like, late: Speaker A:And he's gotten to a point now where he said it himself, I leave the house, make an appearance, that's a hundred grand.
Speaker A:Why do I now need to go hit, get hit in the face to make my money at his age, after all his accomplished.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:I'm not asking.
Speaker B:I'm not thinking about celebrity appearances.
Speaker B:That's not what the scope of this discussion.
Speaker A:You're talking about Jon Jones the fighter.
Speaker B:I'm talking about Jon Jones the fighter, not the celebrity and the businessman, because.
Speaker B:So does this hurt his goat case?
Speaker B:Because you've said multiple times on this show that you want there to be zero question in a fight.
Speaker B:You don't want people winning by decision.
Speaker B:You want people to knock people out.
Speaker B:You want there to be as zero blemishes on the record.
Speaker B:For example, that's why Michael Jordan, Trump's LeBron James, because there's no blemish whatsoever on Michael Jordan's resume.
Speaker A:His finals resume, yes.
Speaker B:Resume, finals, LeBron.
Speaker B:There's always a question.
Speaker B:You always have to do mental gymnastics.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:For you to put him over Michael Jordan.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Nick Wrong and all those guys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm calling out Nick Wrong for a debate, but with Jon Jones, quote, unquote, ducking Tom Aspinall, whether it's late in his career, early his career or whatever.
Speaker B:Does this hurt his career?
Speaker B:I mean, his status of the goat.
Speaker A:Not necessarily, no.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:Like I said earlier, his heavy, you can dismiss his heavyweight campaign and he's still the goat because we still look at Jon Jones became Jon Jones in light heavyweight, his heavyweight campaign.
Speaker A:Like I said, we can dismiss it.
Speaker A:Only two fights in three years.
Speaker A:Sure, both of them were title fights and he won both of them.
Speaker A:But besides that.
Speaker A:No, it won't hurt.
Speaker A:It won't hurt his goat case because he was already a goat before moving up to heavyweight.
Speaker A:And all it could have done, all it could have done was further cement him and just widen the gap between him and the next guy.
Speaker A:That's why even when Aspinall said it himself, like, if I beat Jon Jones now, I'm not the goat.
Speaker A:I'm just the best heavyweight in the world right now.
Speaker A:And that's all we wanted.
Speaker A:We were never gonna put Aspinall over Jones because what we're not gonna do is put a 30 is put a 30, 30 year old young man at the same level as a 38 year old man who's been doing this literally for 20 years and expect to not be some kind of difference, be it even if it's not in skill.
Speaker A:Aspinall's already younger and bigger.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also I'll give you another example with this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wimbledon is currently on right.
Speaker B:Ah, Novak, please make it number 25.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So if Yannick Sinner beats Novak in the finals, let's say it's probably gonna happen.
Speaker B:If that happens.
Speaker A:Okay, sure.
Speaker A:Janik Sin and Novak Djokovic, Wimbledon in the semifinals now.
Speaker A:But anyway, Yannickson, Novak, Djokovic, Wimbledon.
Speaker A:If Sinner wins, is he the goat just because he beat.
Speaker B:Not even close.
Speaker A:But he's clearly the best at that time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Because Novak is old and Sinner is young, stronger and faster.
Speaker A:I rest my case.
Speaker B:You raise your case.
Speaker B:So this is basically John Jones's wizard years.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Why I have not.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:Knowledge Because I listen to, I talk sports.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:Listen to.
Speaker A:I talk sports.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is wizard Jon Jones.
Speaker A:Wizards.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:That's the best way you put, to put it, but I don't know when.
Speaker B:Jones became better than Mr. St. Pierre.
Speaker B:I'm just, I'm just asking.
Speaker A:Hey, man, GSP has some losses on his record, bro.
Speaker B:Oh, does he?
Speaker A:Gsp?
Speaker A:JSP was.
Speaker B:Never mind.
Speaker A:GSP has been finished.
Speaker B:Never mind.
Speaker B:No, that's, that's, that's the question I had.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So that, that, that brought some clarity to it.
Speaker B:This is basically his wizard.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:That's what I'm going to Call it from now on his wizard's years.
Speaker A:Oh man.
Speaker A:What's happening at Wimbledon, by the way?
Speaker B:Wimbledon Caros Alcaraz.
Speaker B:I'm officially a fan.
Speaker B:Remember I thought I was never going to get over Nadal retiring.
Speaker B:I still cry myself to sleep every now and then.
Speaker B:You'll be fine.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I'll be fine.
Speaker B:I'll be fine.
Speaker B:But then hard human beings hardwired to move on.
Speaker B:Carlos, alas, has just been giving us four set thrillers.
Speaker B:Five set thrillers.
Speaker B:And the shots that he's making, he's like, he's like Nadal Djokovic and Federer rolled up into one.
Speaker B:Oh, at his age he's won all the grand slams on different surfaces.
Speaker B:Oh, clay, grass and hardcourt.
Speaker B:He's beaten Novak Djokovic twice in the Wimbledon final.
Speaker B:Oh, last year and the year before.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, you said he's going for the three peat.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's going for a three doing it.
Speaker B:And wow.
Speaker B:I'm a fan.
Speaker B:I'm a fan.
Speaker A:No, I'm a fan.
Speaker B:I still want Yannick Sinner to beat him because now it's lopsided.
Speaker A:It's probably, it's probably going to happen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Unless.
Speaker B:Unless.
Speaker B:Cuz if you have a Djokovic Alcaraz final again, Alcaraz is going to repeat if we have a sin of Alcaraz final Sin is probably going to win.
Speaker B:Coco Golf got knocked out.
Speaker B:That's that sour woman Sabalenka who said oh, arena.
Speaker A:Yeah, shout out to her.
Speaker B:She adjusted attitude.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:She's the favorite.
Speaker B:So this is the business end of Wimbledon.
Speaker B:We're probably going to get a cinder Alcaraz final.
Speaker A:I need us one of these days.
Speaker A:I need us to talk about the fall off of Naomi Osaka.
Speaker B:Alcaraz for the three peat.
Speaker B:But I want Janik Sinner to win.
Speaker B:I actually want Djokovic to get number 25 so he can be number eight.
Speaker B:Hit eight women the finals with Roger Federer.
Speaker B:So Roger Feder is no longer the king of grass.
Speaker A:Leave it.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:This has been episode 40, baby.
Speaker A:Episode 40.
Speaker A:Go out there, watch more sports, be nice to your mother and as always, enjoy the violence.
Speaker B:Chelsea baby.
Speaker A:No, not.
