Episode 15

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17th Jan 2025

MVP Controversy: Why Lamar Jackson Deserves the Crown

This podcast episode dives into an engaging discussion about the MVP race in the NFL, focusing particularly on the contrasting cases of Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. The hosts passionately argue that despite Jackson's superior statistics, including higher passing yards and a better completion percentage, he is often overlooked in favor of Allen, who has a compelling narrative but arguably less impressive numbers. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of narrative versus performance in sports awards, raising questions about the criteria used to determine valuable players. Alongside NFL discussions, they also touch on UFC 311, highlighting the anticipation surrounding the main event featuring Islam Makhachev, who is on a remarkable winning streak. With humor and insight, the hosts navigate the complexities of sports fandom and the unfairness that can sometimes pervade the MVP discussions.

Takeaways:

  • The podcast discusses the significance of UFC 311, highlighting the main event featuring Islam Makhachev and Aman Tarukian.
  • The hosts debate the MVP race in the NFL, particularly focusing on Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen's performances.
  • They reflect on the narratives surrounding sports awards, emphasizing how stories can overshadow statistics.
  • The conversation touches on the importance of play styles in determining MVP candidacy, especially in football and MMA.
  • The hosts express their excitement for the upcoming fights and the implications for rankings in their respective sports.
  • Overall, the episode combines discussions of UFC, NBA, and NFL, showcasing the hosts' sports passion and insights.
Transcript
Speaker A:

Is a Nazo mic check.

Speaker B:

1, 2, 1, 2.

Speaker B:

What's good?

Speaker B:

What's good?

Speaker B:

What's good, huh?

Speaker B:

Are you fine?

Speaker B:

I talk sports.

Speaker B:

Mukundi episode 23.

Speaker B:

Like, Jordan, baby.

Speaker B:

This is our Jordan episode, which means we are officially the greatest sports podcast of all time.

Speaker B:

Not just in the country of all time.

Speaker B:

Anybody got a problem with that, come talk to me.

Speaker B:

My name is Mukundi, and I am glad you could join me, bro.

Speaker B:

I talk sports, and I have three topics for you today.

Speaker B:

Just three, and then we're gonna keep it pushing.

Speaker B:

So I'm gonna start with UFC311, because it's the first.

Speaker B:

Well, it's not the first card of the year, but you get what I'm saying?

Speaker B:

And then I'm gonna talk about the NBA, because it's a All Star season and the votes are in, and what is happening?

Speaker B:

How are we voting, bro?

Speaker B:

Like, wow.

Speaker B:

And then we close it off with the NFL because it's still playoff time, so we.

Speaker B:

We don't have games to talk about until after the weekend.

Speaker B:

Which is why I'll talk to you about that on Monday, because I just want to talk about the MVP discussion.

Speaker B:

With that being said, I am never alone.

Speaker B:

No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker B:

Dogo dead.

Speaker B:

What's good?

Speaker A:

What's good?

Speaker A:

What's good?

Speaker A:

What's good?

Speaker A:

What's good?

Speaker B:

33, baby.

Speaker B:

You forgot the mic.

Speaker B:

Check one, two.

Speaker A:

Microphone check up one, too.

Speaker A:

Tell you what I'm gonna do.

Speaker A:

I'm good, man.

Speaker A:

Fantastic.

Speaker B:

Good.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B:

How's Chelsea?

Speaker A:

Ah, man, listen, I told you about how my team is.

Speaker A:

Do you know we are back exactly where we started at the end of last season at number five, six.

Speaker A:

So, like, we didn't improve.

Speaker A:

We didn't improve.

Speaker B:

Number four.

Speaker A:

Number four.

Speaker A:

Number four does this to me all the time, bro.

Speaker B:

Where's Man United?

Speaker A:

Man United is 13th, bro, and they pull the rabbit out the hat.

Speaker A:

Was it yesterday or the day before?

Speaker A:

They were losing one nil until the 80th minute, and then they scored a.

Speaker A:

Then one guy scored a hat.

Speaker B:

Remember you were telling me about that?

Speaker A:

This guy scored a hat.

Speaker B:

Wait a minute.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

Didn't.

Speaker B:

Didn't Chelsea do the exact opposite of that last.

Speaker A:

Yeah, we did.

Speaker B:

We.

Speaker A:

We did.

Speaker B:

We did.

Speaker A:

No, no, no.

Speaker A:

That was, like, last year.

Speaker A:

But it's my team.

Speaker B:

You, You, You.

Speaker B:

You born into it, Unfortunately.

Speaker A:

No, I chose it.

Speaker B:

But you did.

Speaker B:

You really choose it?

Speaker A:

Yeah, I did.

Speaker B:

Did you?

Speaker B:

Nah.

Speaker B:

You don't choose a sports team, Doug, even if you start watching the sport at 25.

Speaker B:

Excuse me.

Speaker B:

Even if you start watching the sport at 25, you don't choose your sports team.

Speaker B:

It'll call you.

Speaker B:

It'll gravitate to you.

Speaker A:

Okay?

Speaker A:

e while I was playing FIFA in:

Speaker A:

There we go.

Speaker B:

You.

Speaker B:

You.

Speaker B:

You see?

Speaker B:

You see?

Speaker B:

You see?

Speaker B:

You could have easily picked Real Madrid that day.

Speaker A:

I almost picked Liverpool, but I'm glad I didn't.

Speaker B:

You see?

Speaker B:

Now you'd have been walking alone.

Speaker B:

Glad you didn't.

Speaker B:

Doug.

Speaker B:

You are welcome.

Speaker B:

All right, my dude.

Speaker B:

How are you?

Speaker B:

Are you fine?

Speaker B:

Yeah, just tell me down there.

Speaker B:

By the way, did you notice that there's something missing on my table?

Speaker B:

I only have to drink water.

Speaker B:

All I got is government juice, bro.

Speaker B:

And you know why?

Speaker B:

Because I love the relationship we have with the people at Switch.

Speaker B:

And I told myself, I am not buying a can of Switch any, ever, ever, ever.

Speaker B:

I don't care if I'm in the desert and there's a vending machine and has a bunch of cans of Switch, every different flavor.

Speaker B:

I am not buying it.

Speaker B:

Why?

Speaker B:

Because I'm a big deal, and I don't buy those.

Speaker B:

They send them to me easily.

Speaker B:

So if anybody from Switch is watching this.

Speaker B:

Yeah, just, you know, to look good.

Speaker B:

I don't know if I can say your name on the podcast, but I'll call you.

Speaker B:

T.

Speaker B:

And you know exactly who I'm talking to.

Speaker B:

T.

Speaker B:

Yeah, maybe I shouldn't talk to Tskis Skis, but, yeah, we don't have Switch.

Speaker B:

We don't.

Speaker B:

We don't.

Speaker B:

We don't.

Speaker B:

We don't have no Switch now, but it will come back.

Speaker B:

I refuse to buy it.

Speaker B:

And that's just the hill I'm dying on.

Speaker B:

Okay, let's get violent.

Speaker B:

UFC 311, the first UFC card of the year.

Speaker B:

I'm not including Fight night.

Speaker B:

If I'm talking about fight night, I'll talk about fight Night, because that happens every other weekend.

Speaker B:

But UFC 311, the PLE Premier live event, or is it premium live event?

Speaker B:

Pretty sure it's premium live event.

Speaker B:

But the PLE UFC 311, with the main event featuring the pound for pound King Islam Makhachev, straight from the mountains of Dagestan.

Speaker B:

You know, if you want your.

Speaker B:

If you want your son to do better, you send him through three years.

Speaker B:

Dagestan, eh?

Speaker B:

Yeah, well, he spent his whole life in Dagestan, and he's the current lightweight champion of the world, defending his title against the one dude who.

Speaker B:

I don't understand why.

Speaker B:

Because he's a rich man's son.

Speaker B:

His father is A billionaire, and yet he still wants to get punched in the face for a living.

Speaker B:

Aman.

Speaker B:

Why?

Speaker B:

Anyway, Islam Makhachev.

Speaker B:

Aman Tarukian.

Speaker B:

Yeah, the.

Speaker B:

This will be a great fight.

Speaker B:

Armand broke my heart.

Speaker B:

I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker B:

That's not his fault.

Speaker B:

Well, it is his fault, but he broke my heart.

Speaker B:

Why?

Speaker B:

He beat Charles Oliveira last year.

Speaker B:

That's how he got to be where he is.

Speaker B:

He beat Charles Oliveira and in great fashion.

Speaker B:

In great fashion.

Speaker B:

I'm not even gonna lie.

Speaker B:

Well, not actually.

Speaker B:

I'm lying.

Speaker B:

That was a split decision.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

I'm thinking Darush, he bit Benil Darou before then, and he put him to sleep.

Speaker B:

Benedil Darush is on this card, actually.

Speaker B:

We'll get to that later.

Speaker B:

But he beat Benil Darouch with an emphatic ko.

Speaker B:

He's been doing great ever since he lost that Islam Makachev match.

Speaker B:

He just does his things.

Speaker B:

He.

Speaker B:

He just been winning and winning and winning.

Speaker B:

And now he has his rematch, and his rematch is for the title.

Speaker B:

And I think there's something fitting about that.

Speaker B:

The first time he fought Islam was in his UFC debut.

Speaker B:

Fast forward all these years, they re they having a rematch for the title.

Speaker B:

As the two best lightweights in the world, this dude worked his way up even in the UFC countdown.

Speaker B:

If you watch the UFC countdown, he tells you, I started, and after I lost to Islam, I really locked in.

Speaker B:

And then I said, okay, fine.

Speaker B:

Let's find a way to get ranked in the top 15.

Speaker B:

He did that.

Speaker B:

He got to the top 15.

Speaker B:

He said, cool, now let's make it to the top 10.

Speaker B:

He did that.

Speaker B:

Got to the top 10.

Speaker B:

He said, let's make it to the top five.

Speaker B:

And after that, he said, let's be contenders.

Speaker B:

And to do that, he beat Charles Oliveira with split with his split decision.

Speaker B:

I think that was at UFC 300.

Speaker B:

I could be wrong, but all I.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B:

UFC 300.

Speaker B:

And that broke my heart, man, because I never want to see Charles Oliveira lose.

Speaker B:

He's.

Speaker B:

He's your favorite fighter's favorite fighter.

Speaker B:

He's my favorite fighter.

Speaker B:

Well, that changes every day between him, between him and Izzy.

Speaker B:

But Izzy is fighting next month, so we'll talk about that later.

Speaker B:

Fine.

Speaker B:

And then we have the main man, the baddest man in the UFC right now, the one.

Speaker B:

The number one pound for pound fighter in the world, Islam Makhashev.

Speaker B:

And he is on a streak, bro.

Speaker B:

He is on a streak.

Speaker B:

I need to find this for you, actually, because you won't believe me even if I Told.

Speaker B:

Even if I told you he hasn't lost a fight.

Speaker B:

I think he's on a 14 fight win streak, which is mad.

Speaker B:

Let's see.

Speaker B:

Islam Makachev mixed martial arts record, 26 wins, one loss.

Speaker B:

And how many wins are we on now?

Speaker B:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 straight wins.

Speaker B:

14 straight wins, bro.

Speaker B:

He hasn't lost a fight since:

Speaker B:

Whoa.

Speaker B:

This dude hasn't lost a fight in 10 years.

Speaker B:

Damn.

Speaker B:

Yeah, his last fight was, was a KO loss to Adriano Martins.

Speaker B:

rd of October:

Speaker B:

And that's the only blemish on his mixed martial arts record.

Speaker B:

Besides that, he is perfect.

Speaker B:

And I want to show you his last five fights, which are against top caliber opponents, top tier.

Speaker B:

He beat Dustin Poirier last year and it was a great, a great fight.

Speaker B:

If you watched it, it's one of those fights that make you say, this dude is unfair because we all know the Ducky Boys, you can't grapple with them, don't even try.

Speaker B:

You can't wrestle with those dudes.

Speaker B:

And here we are, he's just winning.

Speaker B:

And he actually stood up with Dustin Poirier, one of the best strikers in the ufc.

Speaker B:

He was like, all right, cool, man.

Speaker B:

You wanna, you want me to play your game?

Speaker B:

Fine, I'll play your game.

Speaker B:

Yo, did he not.

Speaker B:

He was, man, he was striking and even the grappling was just unfair.

Speaker B:

Fine.

Speaker B:

And then the, the last, the fight before that was Alexander Volkanovsky.

Speaker B:

Need I say more?

Speaker B:

We all know what happened.

Speaker B:

Damn near took his head off with a head kick.

Speaker B:

Boom.

Speaker B:

First time seeing Volk get knocked out wasn't the last because a couple months later, Ilya Topuria put Volkanovski to sleep.

Speaker B:

And then he went on to put Max Holloway to sleep.

Speaker B:

And then I haven't been okay.

Speaker B:

I can't even be mad because I told you when I went, when I did the breakdown of Topuri and Holloway.

Speaker B:

When Topuriya hits, he hits, bro.

Speaker B:

Every punch is scary.

Speaker B:

Like, you can see the power in his punches.

Speaker B:

And he's a tiny.

Speaker B:

Well, not a tiny man.

Speaker B:

He's about five, seven.

Speaker B:

And yeah, he's a flyweight.

Speaker B:

And he did that.

Speaker B:

It's fine.

Speaker B:

So Islam had beaten Volkanovsky via unanimous decision in the fight prior to the head kick to the head kick fight.

Speaker B:

And then Charles Oliveira, that was the fight where he actually won the title.

Speaker B:

So Islam is the favorite going into this fight.

Speaker B:

And I don't think anyone would have it any other way and I don't know how, I don't know what to expect.

Speaker B:

I'm not even gonna lie.

Speaker B:

These are two high level fight, bro.

Speaker B:

These are two high level fighters that are just gonna go in there, duke it out and give you the best card possible.

Speaker B:

Fine.

Speaker B:

Let's move on to the co main event.

Speaker B:

We got.

Speaker B:

Yeah, and I, I still know how to pronounce it spelling, you'll have to forgive me but we got Marab Dwalashvili against Khabib Nakomedov's cousin Umar Namakomedov.

Speaker B:

He's not a doctor, don't worry.

Speaker B:

So this is for the bantamweight title.

Speaker B:

The same bantamweight title that Merab took off Sean O'Malley.

Speaker B:

Was it in August at the Sphere or in September?

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

No Che, you have seen that was, that was, that was an underwhelming fight.

Speaker B:

Let's hope this fight will be better.

Speaker B:

I trust Umar to handle his business and I don't see him losing this fight.

Speaker B:

I'm not even gonna lie.

Speaker B:

Marab is a great fighter.

Speaker B:

He never stops moving.

Speaker B:

Cardio of a.

Speaker B:

I don't know man, he has an engine, he has a T engine in him.

Speaker B:

He just keeps going and he just keeps attacking you.

Speaker B:

And if he has to grapple you and put you on his shoulders, he will do that.

Speaker B:

If he has to strike with you, he will not do that.

Speaker B:

He will still grapple you and put you on his shoulders and put you down.

Speaker B:

That's how Mirab beats his opponents.

Speaker B:

That's why, that's kind of my beef with him because he never really fights to finish.

Speaker B:

He fights to get points.

Speaker B:

I mean if that's your formula for success, sure do do what makes you happy.

Speaker B:

But come on man, you know what fans want to see, you know what the fight is about, but I'll let you decide.

Speaker B:

And umar Nomagomedov is undefeated 18 0.

Speaker B:

And going into this fight, I don't see how that's not going to end up being 190 and it has nothing.

Speaker B:

Well, yeah, he's very talented but this is one of those few instances both the main event and the co main event where I don't, I'm not judging based off the fighters and both of them are great fighters.

Speaker B:

I'm the fighters that I think are going to win the fights.

Speaker B:

Umano Magomerov in the co main event and Islam Makashev in the main event.

Speaker B:

I'm not saying that just because they are who they are.

Speaker B:

I'm saying that because they train together.

Speaker B:

And what German MMA family they come from?

Speaker B:

Uma.

Speaker B:

No, Magomedov, that Numa Gomerov name.

Speaker B:

Need I say more?

Speaker B:

Need I say more?

Speaker B:

And who's.

Speaker B:

And who's their coach?

Speaker B:

Of course it's Khabib.

Speaker B:

So now you got Habib Nurgomedov, a man who retired 29 and oh, nah, nah, bro.

Speaker B:

What?

Speaker B:

How do you retire 29 and oh, in professional mixed martial arts, this is not no amateur stuff, but Khabib retired 290 and he actually managed to train these two guys shout out to their father as well.

Speaker B:

I just don't remember Khabib's father's name.

Speaker B:

But yeah, he actually managed to raise and start a gym of champions, bro.

Speaker B:

Imagine.

Speaker B:

Imagine if this actually happens and Uma Nomagamerov wins this title, the bantamweight title.

Speaker B:

That means from the Nomagomedov gym, you'll have Khabib, who is the goat.

Speaker B:

According to some, I'd say Mount Rushmore, but yeah.

Speaker B:

And then you got Islam, who is on pace to actually eclipse Khabib.

Speaker B:

I personally think Islam is the better fighter between him and Khabib.

Speaker B:

I'm not even lying.

Speaker B:

Islam is the.

Speaker B:

One of the best fighters I've ever seen.

Speaker B:

And now you're going to have Umar Nurmedov in there, bro.

Speaker B:

Bro, that's three champions in one house.

Speaker B:

Tell me what other houses you know that be doing that.

Speaker B:

So that's gonna be fun.

Speaker B:

And in.

Speaker B:

In.

Speaker B:

In the card.

Speaker B:

This is a stacked card, bro.

Speaker B:

This is a great.

Speaker B:

This is a great card.

Speaker B:

This is a stacked card.

Speaker B:

Quickly.

Speaker B:

Yuri Prohatska versus Jamal Hill.

Speaker B:

Ah, man.

Speaker B:

What?

Speaker B:

Yuri is there doing his samurai thing, and then Sweet Dreams is just there being Sweet dreams.

Speaker B:

I don't know what he does besides complain about that.

Speaker B:

Alex Pereira, ko, which happened.

Speaker B:

Remember when he told Herb Dean, give Cook, I got this, then knocked him out two seconds later.

Speaker B:

That was at UFC.

Speaker B:

That was at UFC 303, I think.

Speaker B:

Well, that was UFC 300.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

UFC 303 is when Pereira knocked out Yuri Prohatska.

Speaker B:

So, yeah, I bet these two are getting along.

Speaker B:

Are going to get along just fine after the fight.

Speaker B:

Because after this fight, they can now talk about how hard Poatan hits and how it felt being put to sleep by Poatan.

Speaker B:

Yuri twice, Jamal once.

Speaker B:

Anyway, Benil Dariush is fighting Reneto Moicano, which is.

Speaker B:

It's a great fight.

Speaker B:

I always love watching Darush fight because I'm like, this old dude is not supposed to be fighting.

Speaker B:

And then this old dude fights and he fights well.

Speaker B:

It's so cool, bro.

Speaker B:

And then the fan favorite who has never won a title, the fan favorite who we know is going to lose, the fan favorite who we don't care, though, let me tell you.

Speaker B:

Let's see Kevin Holland's record, bro.

Speaker B:

Let me see Kevin Harland's record, because you think I'm tripping, but Kevin Harland has been in the UFC for years.

Speaker B:

And here, here is his record in his last 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 fights.

Speaker B:

He's lost three.

Speaker B:

Do we care?

Speaker B:

No, we love him, bro.

Speaker B:

Oh, my God.

Speaker B:

Kevin.

Speaker B:

Oh, my God.

Speaker B:

Okay, Okay.

Speaker B:

I may.

Speaker B:

I may need to stop condoning Kevin Holland's behavior.

Speaker B:

Nah.

Speaker B:

Lot.

Speaker B:

I'll tell you, his last 10 fights.

Speaker B:

Loss, win, loss, loss, win, win, loss, loss, win, win.

Speaker B:

And I wasn't keeping track.

Speaker B:

That was a lot of Ls, bro.

Speaker B:

A lot of Ls.

Speaker B:

So he has a professional mixed martial arts record of 26 and 14.

Speaker B:

Damn.

Speaker B:

Damn.

Speaker B:

Is that even a 500 record?

Speaker B:

I don't know.

Speaker B:

Anyway, there's gonna be a great fight, and I look forward to seeing what they do after that.

Speaker B:

However, I'm not okay.

Speaker B:

I'm not okay.

Speaker B:

I'll stay violent because there's something that's happening in the NFL world.

Speaker B:

Oh, by the way, I'm not even doing my thing because we ain't even watching no football.

Speaker B:

But you know what?

Speaker B:

I'll watch football Sunday, and that's gonna be before I record my next episode.

Speaker B:

So let me do it for the culture.

Speaker B:

You know what we do when we watch football in this house?

Speaker B:

Phone is on.

Speaker B:

Do not disturb.

Speaker B:

Laptop is on.

Speaker B:

Do not disturb.

Speaker B:

Girlfriend is on.

Speaker B:

Do not disturb.

Speaker B:

Anything and everything is on do not disturb.

Speaker B:

Now let's talk about football.

Speaker B:

And I'm not.

Speaker B:

Okay.

Speaker B:

Very angry.

Speaker B:

You know why?

Speaker B:

Because there's an injustice happening, and I'm gonna turn it racial.

Speaker B:

It's because he's black.

Speaker A:

Tell us about the injustice.

Speaker B:

It's because he's black they're gonna give Josh Allen the MVP over Lamar Jackson.

Speaker B:

And it's because Lamar Jackson's black.

Speaker B:

Okay, I'm like, I'm lying.

Speaker B:

I take it back.

Speaker B:

It's because Josh Allen has the better story.

Speaker B:

But we're not in it for stories.

Speaker B:

We're in it for awards and sports and to win.

Speaker B:

And the only thing you can say about Josh Allen against to beat Lamar Jackson is that Josh Allen has the better record and he actually beat Patrick Mahomes in the play in the regular season.

Speaker B:

However, are we going to forget the fact that Lamar Jackson beat Josh Allen in the regular season, by the way, this weekend.

Speaker B:

This weekend.

Speaker B:

The Bills.

Speaker B:

The Ravens divisional round at midlife.

Speaker B:

Is it MetLife?

Speaker B:

Where do the Bills play?

Speaker B:

I don't know.

Speaker B:

Is it Gillette?

Speaker B:

I think it's Gillette.

Speaker B:

I could be wrong at the Bill's home ground, bro.

Speaker B:

So anyway, Josh Allen is the front runner to win the mvp.

Speaker B:

I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker B:

I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker B:

Going to tell you statistics from two different people.

Speaker B:

Passing completed, pass completion percentage in passing, 66.7 with 4,172 passing yards, 41 passing touchdowns and four interceptions with a passer rating of 119.

Speaker B:

Player number two, 63% completion percentage, 3,731 passing yards, 28 passing touchdowns, six interceptions, and a passer rating of 101.4.

Speaker B:

Who's your MVP?

Speaker B:

Player one or player two?

Speaker A:

Player one.

Speaker B:

Player one, right?

Speaker B:

Yeah, it should be player one.

Speaker B:

That's Lamar Jackson.

Speaker A:

I changed my.

Speaker B:

It's an injustice, bro.

Speaker B:

It's an injustice.

Speaker B:

I just read out the stats to you.

Speaker B:

Lamar Jackson is leading in every statistical category that they.

Speaker B:

That we can both put them in.

Speaker B:

Completion percentage, Lamar's leading passing yards.

Speaker B:

Lamar's leading yards per attempt.

Speaker B:

Lamar's leading passing yards.

Speaker B:

Lamar passing, passing touchdowns.

Speaker B:

Sorry, I'm going to do that again.

Speaker B:

Lamar Jackson is ahead of Josh Allen in every single stat.

Speaker B:

If we talk him quarterback wise, why?

Speaker B:

Completion percentage, he's ahead.

Speaker B:

Passing yards, he's ahead.

Speaker B:

Yards per attempt, he's ahead.

Speaker B:

Passing touchdowns, he's ahead.

Speaker B:

And not just ahead, he's ahead 41 to 28.

Speaker B:

So I'll let you decide what you do with that information.

Speaker B:

He has fewer interceptions with four to Josh Allen, six.

Speaker B:

And he has a higher passer rating of 119, while Josh Allen has a passer rating of 101.4.

Speaker B:

What are we doing here?

Speaker B:

Who's your MVP if it's not Lamar Jackson?

Speaker B:

There's an agenda.

Speaker B:

It's either you're just tired of seeing him win MVPs without winning a Super bowl, or you just hate him because he's black.

Speaker B:

That's it.

Speaker B:

If you're going to say I'm, I'm mad at you because you keep winning all these MVPs and you keep showing up in the regular.

Speaker B:

In the regular season, but you don't show up in the playoffs, fine, I will kind of agree with you.

Speaker B:

However, I will give you the rebuttal that this is a regular season mvp.

Speaker B:

And if he did have the better regular season, what are we doing right?

Speaker B:

Isn't the playoffs mvp.

Speaker B:

The super bowl mvp, Right?

Speaker B:

Think about it, bro, because even if we talk rushing, no one runs like Lamar Jackson, right?

Speaker B:

He's so rushing yards.

Speaker B:

Lamar Jackson 915.

Speaker B:

Josh Allen 531 rushing yards per attempt.

Speaker B:

Lamar 6.6.

Speaker B:

Josh Allen 5.2.

Speaker B:

This is the only area where Josh Allen has Lamar beat.

Speaker B:

It's rushing touchdowns.

Speaker B:

Josh Allen has 12 to Lamar's four.

Speaker B:

However, let's not forget Lamar is playing with a running back named Derrick Henry.

Speaker B:

So are you really mad that he doesn't have that many rushing touchdowns?

Speaker B:

Because Derrick Henry is just collecting those.

Speaker B:

However, he has more rushing yards and he's more effect.

Speaker B:

He's more effective running the football.

Speaker B:

Which quarterback would you rather have running your football?

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah, I just don't have a crickets thing here.

Speaker B:

You know what?

Speaker B:

Let's try this.

Speaker B:

Which quarterback would you rather have running your football?

Speaker A:

Foreign.

Speaker B:

Exactly, bro.

Speaker B:

This.

Speaker B:

This is not even a debate.

Speaker B:

Sure, Josh Allen has three times as much rushing touchdowns as Lamar Jackson 12 to 4.

Speaker B:

However, in the grand scheme of things, they all come back down to 40 something touchdowns and Lamar is still leading there.

Speaker B:

Lamar has a total of 40, 45 touchdowns to Josh Allen's 41.

Speaker B:

Wait, is it 41?

Speaker B:

What's 28 plus 12?

Speaker B:

40.

Speaker B:

Sorry.

Speaker B:

Josh Allen's 40.

Speaker B:

So he has more touchdowns in general.

Speaker B:

He has more rushing yards, he has more passing yards, he has a higher completion percentage, he has a higher qbr.

Speaker B:

And here, man, come on, bro.

Speaker B:

And he has a higher passer rating.

Speaker B:

What are we doing here?

Speaker B:

Seriously?

Speaker B:

Seriously.

Speaker B:

AP NFL.

Speaker B:

If Josh Allen ends the season as the MVP of the NFL regular season, I will, I will call that award his here nigga damn award.

Speaker B:

Because that's what it's gonna be.

Speaker B:

Because Josh Allen has finished top three in MVP voting for how many seasons now?

Speaker B:

A lot.

Speaker B:

He's always been the next best guy.

Speaker B:

However, he's the next best guy this year as well.

Speaker B:

Because there's no way in hell anyone with a pair of eyes and knows anything about the game of football can clearly say and tell you that Lamar Jackson is the better player and is the mvp.

Speaker B:

Sure, it's great what Josh Allen is doing and we didn't expect him to play this well.

Speaker B:

I think this is what it is.

Speaker B:

He overachieved.

Speaker B:

He exceeded expectations because Stefan Diggs left and he went to Houston and we all thought, ah, nah, he doesn't have his number one weapon.

Speaker B:

What's he gonna do?

Speaker B:

And here's what he's doing.

Speaker B:

Having an.

Speaker B:

An MVP caliber season.

Speaker B:

But that's all it is.

Speaker B:

It's MVP caliber.

Speaker B:

It's not the MVP season.

Speaker B:

Fine.

Speaker B:

Those are my parting words to you.

Speaker B:

And I have nothing against Josh Allen.

Speaker B:

I love Josh Allen.

Speaker B:

I was here a month ago, if not two months ago, saying Josh Allen is the mvp.

Speaker B:

However, that was two months ago.

Speaker B:

Yesterday's price is not today's price.

Speaker B:

And unfortunately, Lamar is the MVP today.

Speaker B:

Do with that information what you will.

Speaker B:

I'm getting agitated now.

Speaker B:

I'm four minutes over time.

Speaker B:

Goodbye.

Speaker B:

You know, just.

Speaker B:

Goodbye.

Speaker A:

Listen carefully.

Speaker B:

Huh?

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

I honestly think that there's an agenda out here, but there's an agenda.

Speaker A:

There's an agenda.

Speaker A:

This is Flamar Jackson doesn't get the MVP based on current form.

Speaker A:

We're in the postseason now.

Speaker A:

Right?

Speaker B:

So it should be a Rap the dog.

Speaker A:

It should be.

Speaker B:

Technically speaking, it's.

Speaker B:

It's a wrap.

Speaker B:

Unless.

Speaker B:

Unless for some weird reason, which I'd understand, they're gonna use this game as well as who gets the edge, because now it's.

Speaker B:

They're literally going head to head, for lack of a better term.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

They shouldn't count.

Speaker A:

Regular season's over, right?

Speaker B:

Yeah, it's a regular season.

Speaker B:

Exactly.

Speaker B:

That's what I'm saying.

Speaker A:

Injustice has happened all the time.

Speaker A:

Just like the Ballon d'or didn't go to Messi this year.

Speaker A:

Like, I don't get it.

Speaker A:

I don' it question.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Is the criteria being used for MVP correct in the sense that you've GR out the numbers, you've read out the record, but us as human beings, we like stories.

Speaker A:

So does the story and the narrative.

Speaker A:

Should that not count in any MVP discussion?

Speaker B:

It shouldn't, but.

Speaker B:

But it unfortunately does.

Speaker A:

You say it shouldn't it.

Speaker B:

I say it shouldn't because it should be based off your play.

Speaker B:

However, the story is the story.

Speaker B:

And people, some people watch sports for that exact reason.

Speaker A:

Is that not where the valuable comes in?

Speaker B:

I guess.

Speaker B:

I guess.

Speaker B:

But I said what I believe is that it shouldn't.

Speaker B:

It shouldn't.

Speaker B:

It's a.

Speaker B:

It's a Derrick Rose, LeBron James situation.

Speaker B:

When.

Speaker B:

When D.

Speaker B:

Rose won the MVP that season, LeBron was still the best player in the league.

Speaker B:

So I.

Speaker B:

I don't know, man.

Speaker B:

I don't know.

Speaker B:

I think stories do play a role.

Speaker B:

Right?

Speaker B:

And the fact that the one.

Speaker B:

The other thing that's hurting Lamar's MVP case is the fact that he's playing with Derrick Henry, who is what you.

Speaker B:

You can say is the best or the second best running back in the league.

Speaker B:

You wouldn't be wrong with either one.

Speaker B:

And since the Ravens offense is so potent on their run game as well, I think they, I think that's just overshadowing the whole thing because remember, there was a point in the season where both of them were in the MVP discussion.

Speaker B:

So I think that's hurting him.

Speaker B:

Meanwhile, with Josh Allen, like I said, he's exceeding expectations.

Speaker B:

He lost his number one wide receiver last year and we expected the team to regress, but as a matter of fact they as good, if not better.

Speaker B:

And Josh Allen is having the best season of his career, but that's all we can call it.

Speaker B:

In my opinion, this is the best season of his career.

Speaker B:

All right, that's it.

Speaker B:

I've talked sports, I talked football, I talked ufc.

Speaker B:

We shall see how I act on Monday and that'll tell you everything you need to know.

Speaker B:

If I get my there's two.

Speaker B:

There's two people that can break my heart right now.

Speaker B:

Lamar Jackson playing against the Bills tomorrow.

Speaker B:

Or is it on Sunday?

Speaker B:

And then if Islam Makhachev loses for some reason, then I'm definitely, definitely not happy.

Speaker B:

If I get a 50% out of these two, I'll be happy if they both make me happy.

Speaker B:

I'll be happy if they both upset me.

Speaker B:

Yeah.

Speaker B:

No.

Speaker B:

Get ready for an interesting 20, maybe even one hour of just me frowning and being angry.

Speaker B:

But we shall see that next time.

Speaker B:

Go out there, live your best life, watch more sports, and as always, until next time, enjoy the violence.

Speaker A:

Josh Allen for the win, baby.

Speaker B:

No.

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